Because Hebron's 3rd place finish at Plano behind #1 ranked Flower Mound and #11 ranked Marcus carries more weight than Leander's second place finish at Austin behind #14 Vandegrift. The DFW regionals are usually more competitive so they carry more weight. Also Hebron ranked a good bit higher than Leander at the State Marching Contest.
You might also want to ask why Cedar Park is still ranked 8th nationally when they were 9th at San Antonio. It's not just about one contest. Non-BOA contests and even previous years seem to be taken into account as well (Hebron also did extremely well at Nats in 2015)...though with less weight as time goes on.
Nonsense about the DFW regionals being more competitive than Austin. Austin has plenty of powerhouse programs on its own, and then San Antonio is added to the mix. DFW is very good, but top heavy, and not as deep as Austin/Central Texas.
I expect Hebron to move ahead of Flower Mound and Avon after last weekend's SuperRegional in San Antonio. Just wish they were going to Grand Nationals this year - their show was something else - I didn't see CJT in the prelims, but I still thought Hebron's performance in the finals was a first place performance.
This question is asked year after year, but they are ranked off of bits of information that comes in from the people that work with these bands and also some recordings of runs that may be out already.
Marian Catholic used to be like Broken Arrow. Making 1st in finals at Grand Nationals. But they've slowly started going down, but are still really good.
Wow I giant mason drop. I would have still kept them above homestead because they had a higher score overall in prelims without the penalty. This was still higher than either score from homestead
It's not only a train wreck, it's a recycle train wreck. The cars are different, the tricks are the same. Not sure how they won St. Louis...or how Lincoln, SD finished so low.
I'd say BA did pretty good this year for their show being a trainwreck. They really came a long way this year and proved they could put on a stunning show even with a very young band with more than half of them who have never been to grand nats before.
Question: Fort Mill High School (SC) beat Dobyns-Bennett at the Winston Salem regional, how would that affect the top 30 scores? Would FM potentially make it on and DB drop a bit, or will DB just drop a bit? Or nothing at all?
I'm a Texas band guy (Cedar Park parent, lifelong marching band fan), but Norwin PA looks like they have a solid show. Their PIMBA performance at Deer Lakes was solid but ultimately they may suffer from the lack of GE that plagues PA bands.
As for the Super Regional in Texas, I think that Vandergrift may make a move as they looked amazing at UIL region now that the show is completed. CTJ better have their best show of the year.
I am really looking forward to the wrap up of the season. I think Grand Nats is going to have a few surprises.
Why isn’t Ayala in the top 30? They’re a 9 time BOA regional champion and 2 time grand nat finalist. Just Saturday they placed second to Carmel and the gap was small. Y’all need to update the list.
I know not a lot of the country gets to see American Fork (now winner of six straight St George regional titles), but there is no way they are not a top 30 band in the country. They are an easy semi-finalist every time they go to GN and they would either win or take 2nd to Ayala at a CA regional. I'm not sure there is even a question about that, so how they are not even in your "next 10" is just sort of amazing.
Nice bounce back for DB, pretty amazing actually guess we shouldn't put so much stock in those early season performances. They are a quality group I should have never underestimated them. Lesson learned.
Grand Nats just wasn't as competitive as last year. They had a great start to the season placing high in Austin but they placed 7th at Conroe, and then at the San Antonio super regional despite having 14 finalist Round Rock didn't get into finals. Which was tough for even the top bands especially with Avon making their way down. Although it could be for other reasons I had nothing to do with determining the rankings.
I have nothing against Winston Churchill, however, I just do not understand why they are on the "Next Ten" list. To start off at BOA Austin they barely made it in to finals by 0.25 points and beating Westwood High School for the spot. I could by wrong but, wasn't Westwood's sound board destroyed when it started burning up? For this the judges are not supposed to count off, but indirectly this can hurt a team because it can add to General Effect. Anyway, later in the season, in BOA San Antonio, Churchill did not preform well placing 21st. They were behind Pearland, Westwood, and Cy-Fair who are not in the "Next Ten". They are definitely known as a very good band, but this year, I just was not as impressed.
Texas has 10 of the top 20? Incredible
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ReplyDeleteBecause Hebron's 3rd place finish at Plano behind #1 ranked Flower Mound and #11 ranked Marcus carries more weight than Leander's second place finish at Austin behind #14 Vandegrift. The DFW regionals are usually more competitive so they carry more weight. Also Hebron ranked a good bit higher than Leander at the State Marching Contest.
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DeleteNonsense about the DFW regionals being more competitive than Austin. Austin has plenty of powerhouse programs on its own, and then San Antonio is added to the mix. DFW is very good, but top heavy, and not as deep as Austin/Central Texas.
DeleteHorn rank hasn’t updated yet, that’s why.
DeleteI expect Hebron to move ahead of Flower Mound and Avon after last weekend's SuperRegional in San Antonio. Just wish they were going to Grand Nationals this year - their show was something else - I didn't see CJT in the prelims, but I still thought Hebron's performance in the finals was a first place performance.
DeleteI know it's very early in the season but how do you rank bands that hasn't gone to competition yet?
ReplyDeleteThis question is asked year after year, but they are ranked off of bits of information that comes in from the people that work with these bands and also some recordings of runs that may be out already.
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ReplyDeleteyou might also want to ask why they make finals every single year, somehow they just do very well at all the BOA competitions
DeleteMarian Catholic used to be like Broken Arrow. Making 1st in finals at Grand Nationals. But they've slowly started going down, but are still really good.
DeleteAnd are slowly rising back up to the top again!
DeleteWow I giant mason drop. I would have still kept them above homestead because they had a higher score overall in prelims without the penalty. This was still higher than either score from homestead
ReplyDeleteIt’s mostly because other bands did much better in other prelims. They aren’t all the same but 5 point differences do make a large difference
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DeleteCould you guys keep on doing the podcast? I really enjoyed the first one, would be really cool to have them weekly!
ReplyDeleteLast year’s results shouldn’t have any bearing. Senior classes graduate. Every year is different.
ReplyDeleteOught to be some big adjustments after this weekend’s results.
ReplyDeleteNot really sure how BA is ranked above Flower Mound. I understand BA has a history of excellence but the show this year is a trainwreck
ReplyDeleteThey wouldn't be ranked higher than Flower Mound but Flower Mound got beat by Hebron so Flowermound dropped from First.
DeleteIt's not only a train wreck, it's a recycle train wreck. The cars are different, the tricks are the same. Not sure how they won St. Louis...or how Lincoln, SD finished so low.
DeleteI really enjoyed Lincoln's show as well! I also felt they should have finished higher along with Bentonville.
DeleteI'd say BA did pretty good this year for their show being a trainwreck. They really came a long way this year and proved they could put on a stunning show even with a very young band with more than half of them who have never been to grand nats before.
DeleteQuestion: Fort Mill High School (SC) beat Dobyns-Bennett at the Winston Salem regional, how would that affect the top 30 scores? Would FM potentially make it on and DB drop a bit, or will DB just drop a bit? Or nothing at all?
ReplyDeleteNice job O'Fallon. Now Bring It!!!
ReplyDeleteDont really care about rankings but yall should definately check out Lincoln's show.
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I saw the show in St Louis and it was good. I thought they would place a spot or 2 higher.
DeleteLincoln was the most entertaining show we saw in St. Louis. I was shocked they weren't several places higher, even top 5.
DeleteLincoln's show this year is incredible!
ReplyDeleteI'm a Texas band guy (Cedar Park parent, lifelong marching band fan), but Norwin PA looks like they have a solid show. Their PIMBA performance at Deer Lakes was solid but ultimately they may suffer from the lack of GE that plagues PA bands.
As for the Super Regional in Texas, I think that Vandergrift may make a move as they looked amazing at UIL region now that the show is completed. CTJ better have their best show of the year.
I am really looking forward to the wrap up of the season. I think Grand Nats is going to have a few surprises.
Why isn’t Ayala in the top 30? They’re a 9 time BOA regional champion and 2 time grand nat finalist. Just Saturday they placed second to Carmel and the gap was small. Y’all need to update the list.
ReplyDeleteGive them a chance to get out of bed....Ayala is in the top 40 prior to the weekend
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ReplyDeleteDripping Springs TX looked FANTASTIC last weekend at the Texas Area D 5A show in Cedar Park. Really well executed and they played their hearts out.
ReplyDeleteThe San Antonio Super Regional final was amazing! A few surprises according to these rankings. I wish all of these bands could make Grand Nats.
ReplyDeleteAll of these comps are pay to play, correct?
DeleteI really wish CTJ was going to Nationals!!! That was the best thing I've seen in years! Seen Carmel and Avon a lot, but CTJ was unreal!!!
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DeleteI know not a lot of the country gets to see American Fork (now winner of six straight St George regional titles), but there is no way they are not a top 30 band in the country. They are an easy semi-finalist every time they go to GN and they would either win or take 2nd to Ayala at a CA regional. I'm not sure there is even a question about that, so how they are not even in your "next 10" is just sort of amazing.
ReplyDeleteJust wait for them to update it on Tuesday.
DeleteTuesday should be fun to see. I see the top 10 staying the same, just shuffled. 11-20 there should be some big movement though.
DeleteReally? There should be a lot of movement. Car, CTJ, Her, Avon, FM, is the way I see top 5.
Delete^^^^^100% agree^^^^^
DeleteHow is James Bowie ranked ahead of Cedar Ridge even though Cedar Ridge has placed ahead of them at two contests this season?
ReplyDeleteBecause the rankings are flawed and inaccurate. Whoever ranks the bands needs to be replaced.
DeleteCurious how Grain Valley compares to size of the other schools. Are they the only 2A school in top 40?
ReplyDeleteMarian Catholic is 2A
DeleteTarpon Springs is also 2A
DeleteNice bounce back for DB, pretty amazing actually guess we shouldn't put so much stock in those early season performances. They are a quality group I should have never underestimated them. Lesson learned.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Round Rock so low if they made finals at grand nats?
ReplyDeleteGrand Nats just wasn't as competitive as last year. They had a great start to the season placing high in Austin but they placed 7th at Conroe, and then at the San Antonio super regional despite having 14 finalist Round Rock didn't get into finals. Which was tough for even the top bands especially with Avon making their way down. Although it could be for other reasons I had nothing to do with determining the rankings.
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ReplyDeleteNo be honest, I really think North Hardin belongs somewhere on here.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing against Winston Churchill, however, I just do not understand why they are on the "Next Ten" list. To start off at BOA Austin they barely made it in to finals by 0.25 points and beating Westwood High School for the spot. I could by wrong but, wasn't Westwood's sound board destroyed when it started burning up? For this the judges are not supposed to count off, but indirectly this can hurt a team because it can add to General Effect. Anyway, later in the season, in BOA San Antonio, Churchill did not preform well placing 21st. They were behind Pearland, Westwood, and Cy-Fair who are not in the "Next Ten". They are definitely known as a very good band, but this year, I just was not as impressed.
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