There are two school districts in Texas with three schools in the top 20. Leander ISD (mentioned above) and Lewisville ISD with Flower Mound, Hebron, and Marcus.
The BOA Grand Nationals has 13 of the bands in the HornRank top 30 competing this week. Last weekend the San Antonio Super regional had 15 of the HornRank top 30 bands competing. Are these two events considered similarly in terms of weight and prestige?
Because Hebron's 3rd place finish at Plano behind #1 ranked Flower Mound and #11 ranked Marcus carries more weight than Leander's second place finish at Austin behind #14 Vandegrift. The DFW regionals are usually more competitive so they carry more weight. Also Hebron ranked a good bit higher than Leander at the State Marching Contest.
You might also want to ask why Cedar Park is still ranked 8th nationally when they were 9th at San Antonio. It's not just about one contest. Non-BOA contests and even previous years seem to be taken into account as well (Hebron also did extremely well at Nats in 2015)...though with less weight as time goes on.
Nonsense about the DFW regionals being more competitive than Austin. Austin has plenty of powerhouse programs on its own, and then San Antonio is added to the mix. DFW is very good, but top heavy, and not as deep as Austin/Central Texas.
I expect Hebron to move ahead of Flower Mound and Avon after last weekend's SuperRegional in San Antonio. Just wish they were going to Grand Nationals this year - their show was something else - I didn't see CJT in the prelims, but I still thought Hebron's performance in the finals was a first place performance.
This question is asked year after year, but they are ranked off of bits of information that comes in from the people that work with these bands and also some recordings of runs that may be out already.
Marian Catholic used to be like Broken Arrow. Making 1st in finals at Grand Nationals. But they've slowly started going down, but are still really good.
Wow I giant mason drop. I would have still kept them above homestead because they had a higher score overall in prelims without the penalty. This was still higher than either score from homestead
It's not only a train wreck, it's a recycle train wreck. The cars are different, the tricks are the same. Not sure how they won St. Louis...or how Lincoln, SD finished so low.
I'd say BA did pretty good this year for their show being a trainwreck. They really came a long way this year and proved they could put on a stunning show even with a very young band with more than half of them who have never been to grand nats before.
Question: Fort Mill High School (SC) beat Dobyns-Bennett at the Winston Salem regional, how would that affect the top 30 scores? Would FM potentially make it on and DB drop a bit, or will DB just drop a bit? Or nothing at all?
I'm a Texas band guy (Cedar Park parent, lifelong marching band fan), but Norwin PA looks like they have a solid show. Their PIMBA performance at Deer Lakes was solid but ultimately they may suffer from the lack of GE that plagues PA bands.
As for the Super Regional in Texas, I think that Vandergrift may make a move as they looked amazing at UIL region now that the show is completed. CTJ better have their best show of the year.
I am really looking forward to the wrap up of the season. I think Grand Nats is going to have a few surprises.
Why isn’t Ayala in the top 30? They’re a 9 time BOA regional champion and 2 time grand nat finalist. Just Saturday they placed second to Carmel and the gap was small. Y’all need to update the list.
I know not a lot of the country gets to see American Fork (now winner of six straight St George regional titles), but there is no way they are not a top 30 band in the country. They are an easy semi-finalist every time they go to GN and they would either win or take 2nd to Ayala at a CA regional. I'm not sure there is even a question about that, so how they are not even in your "next 10" is just sort of amazing.
Agree that the rankings are flawed, because Vandegrift finished 3rd at State UIL ahead of Reagan, Hebron, CTJ and Leander, yet they are ranked 11th behind all of those bands. Appears that BOA placements are given higher weighting in the rankings than UIL placements.
Nice bounce back for DB, pretty amazing actually guess we shouldn't put so much stock in those early season performances. They are a quality group I should have never underestimated them. Lesson learned.
Grand Nats just wasn't as competitive as last year. They had a great start to the season placing high in Austin but they placed 7th at Conroe, and then at the San Antonio super regional despite having 14 finalist Round Rock didn't get into finals. Which was tough for even the top bands especially with Avon making their way down. Although it could be for other reasons I had nothing to do with determining the rankings.
I have nothing against Winston Churchill, however, I just do not understand why they are on the "Next Ten" list. To start off at BOA Austin they barely made it in to finals by 0.25 points and beating Westwood High School for the spot. I could by wrong but, wasn't Westwood's sound board destroyed when it started burning up? For this the judges are not supposed to count off, but indirectly this can hurt a team because it can add to General Effect. Anyway, later in the season, in BOA San Antonio, Churchill did not preform well placing 21st. They were behind Pearland, Westwood, and Cy-Fair who are not in the "Next Ten". They are definitely known as a very good band, but this year, I just was not as impressed.
Look out for Cedar Park this season. They have one of the best high school opening hits that I've seen in years! If the rest of the show follows that they are a force to be reckoned with this season.
Just a question... Why isn't CTJ ahead of Arrow? I am not from Texas or OK, so I have no dog in the fight, but CTJ actually was in a competition and won.
It's too much. It's like they want to win based on the number of props. They have a lot of talent, let that shine and stop trying to out prop everyone. That Whataburger sponsorship doesn't solve everything.
Yes it will. Blue Springs got an 87.75 at Indianapolis. Not saying that Bixby is at the same level as Blue Springs by any means, but if they had gone to St. Louis they would have definitely gotten top half
Del Rio Tx. Mighty Rams keeps getting cheated out /// when it’s so obvious that they are among the best on top , everybody from the band community including other schools are stunned that they keep putting Del Rio down but it’s ok everyone knows who the True best bands are ,it’s just sad that they cover their eyes n ears to recognize this .
They're certainly good, but they aren't as good as any of these. I only know them from BOA Houston and they should've placed higher yes, but not by much
El Paso Tx. Bel Air should be on top of this list also another band that keeps getting the cover ur eyes n ears treatment like the Del Rio Mighty Ram Band ...they both sound clear n strong n not messy ///everyone knows it //
San Antonio Super Regionals are done. According to knowledgeable pundits it is the deepest competitive roster to date. Grand Nats will have the top few bands, but Texas finals list would likely top all but the top two or three Indy bands.
Where is Del Río at a Super Regional finalst, in fact where is Del Río in Top 30 at San Antonio. Where is Del Río at the State Marching Contest, Where is Del Río at Area Finals. You can keep complaining about your band not being on some list but they clearly haven’t shown they deserve to be on the list just saying
SA Super Regionals Finals was incredible. They all stayed in Texas this year for 6A State but most will be headed to Grand Nats next year. And by the way, check out these results:
1) Vista Ridge 2) Flower Mound 3) Vandegrift 4) Hebron 5) Leander 6) Ronald Reagan 7) Claudia Taylor Johnson 8) Keller 9) Woodlands 10) Marcus 11) Cedar Ridge 12) Waxahachie
Those are the State UIL results from November 6, not the SA Super Regionals results from November 4. The SA Super Regionals results were:
1) Flower Mound 2) Ronald Reagan 3) Hebron 4) Vista Ridge 5) Claudia Taylor Johnson 6) Leander 7) Vandegrift 8) The Woodlands 9) Keller 10) Cedar Ridge 11) Marcus 12) Robert E. Hendrickson 13) Westlake 14) L.D. Bell
Mostly the same bands but with a slightly different order. The judging criteria for UIL differ from the BOA criteria.
Which makes having the order of finish at GN being ignored even more suspicious. ONE opinion is just that - an opinion. Thirty people (if that's the real number) viewing the results couldn't all get it backwards.
I’m a Mason mom, and all I can say is that I am so happy that the program is back on track, that we made it to finals and that were even in this top 30 list. Those kids worked very hard to bring it back. And they will continue to get better in the coming years. Just sad that I have a junior and only 1 more year of this...
Texas has 10 of the top 20? Incredible
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Delete20 of the top 40
Delete4 of the top 20 are in the same school district in in Texas. Leander ISD.
Deletebut why not in front of BA????? something is not right
DeleteThere are two school districts in Texas with three schools in the top 20. Leander ISD (mentioned above) and Lewisville ISD with Flower Mound, Hebron, and Marcus.
DeleteLeander ISD has 4 bands in the top 20, that's stout coming from one district
Delete1. Leander
2. Vandegrift
3. Vista Ridge
4. Cedar Park
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DeleteAustin metro area (Cedar Park/Round Rock/Austin) got 1st 3rd, 5th and 11th at the Texas UIL 6A state championship finals tonight!
DeleteThe BOA Grand Nationals has 13 of the bands in the HornRank top 30 competing this week. Last weekend the San Antonio Super regional had 15 of the HornRank top 30 bands competing. Are these two events considered similarly in terms of weight and prestige?
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ReplyDeleteBecause Hebron's 3rd place finish at Plano behind #1 ranked Flower Mound and #11 ranked Marcus carries more weight than Leander's second place finish at Austin behind #14 Vandegrift. The DFW regionals are usually more competitive so they carry more weight. Also Hebron ranked a good bit higher than Leander at the State Marching Contest.
DeleteYou might also want to ask why Cedar Park is still ranked 8th nationally when they were 9th at San Antonio. It's not just about one contest. Non-BOA contests and even previous years seem to be taken into account as well (Hebron also did extremely well at Nats in 2015)...though with less weight as time goes on.
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DeleteNonsense about the DFW regionals being more competitive than Austin. Austin has plenty of powerhouse programs on its own, and then San Antonio is added to the mix. DFW is very good, but top heavy, and not as deep as Austin/Central Texas.
DeleteHorn rank hasn’t updated yet, that’s why.
DeleteI expect Hebron to move ahead of Flower Mound and Avon after last weekend's SuperRegional in San Antonio. Just wish they were going to Grand Nationals this year - their show was something else - I didn't see CJT in the prelims, but I still thought Hebron's performance in the finals was a first place performance.
DeleteI know it's very early in the season but how do you rank bands that hasn't gone to competition yet?
ReplyDeleteThis question is asked year after year, but they are ranked off of bits of information that comes in from the people that work with these bands and also some recordings of runs that may be out already.
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ReplyDeleteyou might also want to ask why they make finals every single year, somehow they just do very well at all the BOA competitions
DeleteMarian Catholic used to be like Broken Arrow. Making 1st in finals at Grand Nationals. But they've slowly started going down, but are still really good.
DeleteAnd are slowly rising back up to the top again!
DeleteWow I giant mason drop. I would have still kept them above homestead because they had a higher score overall in prelims without the penalty. This was still higher than either score from homestead
ReplyDeleteIt’s mostly because other bands did much better in other prelims. They aren’t all the same but 5 point differences do make a large difference
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DeleteCould you guys keep on doing the podcast? I really enjoyed the first one, would be really cool to have them weekly!
ReplyDeleteLast year’s results shouldn’t have any bearing. Senior classes graduate. Every year is different.
ReplyDeleteOught to be some big adjustments after this weekend’s results.
ReplyDeleteNot really sure how BA is ranked above Flower Mound. I understand BA has a history of excellence but the show this year is a trainwreck
ReplyDeleteThey wouldn't be ranked higher than Flower Mound but Flower Mound got beat by Hebron so Flowermound dropped from First.
DeleteIt's not only a train wreck, it's a recycle train wreck. The cars are different, the tricks are the same. Not sure how they won St. Louis...or how Lincoln, SD finished so low.
DeleteI really enjoyed Lincoln's show as well! I also felt they should have finished higher along with Bentonville.
DeleteI'd say BA did pretty good this year for their show being a trainwreck. They really came a long way this year and proved they could put on a stunning show even with a very young band with more than half of them who have never been to grand nats before.
DeleteQuestion: Fort Mill High School (SC) beat Dobyns-Bennett at the Winston Salem regional, how would that affect the top 30 scores? Would FM potentially make it on and DB drop a bit, or will DB just drop a bit? Or nothing at all?
ReplyDeleteNice job O'Fallon. Now Bring It!!!
ReplyDeleteDont really care about rankings but yall should definately check out Lincoln's show.
ReplyDeletehttps://youtu.be/rughVHSByrE
I saw the show in St Louis and it was good. I thought they would place a spot or 2 higher.
DeleteLincoln was the most entertaining show we saw in St. Louis. I was shocked they weren't several places higher, even top 5.
DeleteWill you be posting the top 30 for this week?
DeleteLincoln's show this year is incredible!
ReplyDeleteI'm a Texas band guy (Cedar Park parent, lifelong marching band fan), but Norwin PA looks like they have a solid show. Their PIMBA performance at Deer Lakes was solid but ultimately they may suffer from the lack of GE that plagues PA bands.
As for the Super Regional in Texas, I think that Vandergrift may make a move as they looked amazing at UIL region now that the show is completed. CTJ better have their best show of the year.
I am really looking forward to the wrap up of the season. I think Grand Nats is going to have a few surprises.
Why isn’t Ayala in the top 30? They’re a 9 time BOA regional champion and 2 time grand nat finalist. Just Saturday they placed second to Carmel and the gap was small. Y’all need to update the list.
ReplyDeleteGive them a chance to get out of bed....Ayala is in the top 40 prior to the weekend
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ReplyDeleteDripping Springs TX looked FANTASTIC last weekend at the Texas Area D 5A show in Cedar Park. Really well executed and they played their hearts out.
ReplyDeleteThe San Antonio Super Regional final was amazing! A few surprises according to these rankings. I wish all of these bands could make Grand Nats.
ReplyDeleteAll of these comps are pay to play, correct?
DeleteI really wish CTJ was going to Nationals!!! That was the best thing I've seen in years! Seen Carmel and Avon a lot, but CTJ was unreal!!!
ReplyDeleteI know not a lot of the country gets to see American Fork (now winner of six straight St George regional titles), but there is no way they are not a top 30 band in the country. They are an easy semi-finalist every time they go to GN and they would either win or take 2nd to Ayala at a CA regional. I'm not sure there is even a question about that, so how they are not even in your "next 10" is just sort of amazing.
ReplyDeleteJust wait for them to update it on Tuesday.
DeleteTuesday should be fun to see. I see the top 10 staying the same, just shuffled. 11-20 there should be some big movement though.
DeleteReally? There should be a lot of movement. Car, CTJ, Her, Avon, FM, is the way I see top 5.
Delete^^^^^100% agree^^^^^
DeleteHow is James Bowie ranked ahead of Cedar Ridge even though Cedar Ridge has placed ahead of them at two contests this season?
ReplyDeleteBecause the rankings are flawed and inaccurate. Whoever ranks the bands needs to be replaced.
DeleteAgree that the rankings are flawed, because Vandegrift finished 3rd at State UIL ahead of Reagan, Hebron, CTJ and Leander, yet they are ranked 11th behind all of those bands. Appears that BOA placements are given higher weighting in the rankings than UIL placements.
DeleteThat is correct, BOA placements are given higher weighting than UIL placements.
DeleteCurious how Grain Valley compares to size of the other schools. Are they the only 2A school in top 40?
ReplyDeleteMarian Catholic is 2A
DeleteTarpon Springs is also 2A
DeleteNice bounce back for DB, pretty amazing actually guess we shouldn't put so much stock in those early season performances. They are a quality group I should have never underestimated them. Lesson learned.
ReplyDeleteWhy is Round Rock so low if they made finals at grand nats?
ReplyDeleteGrand Nats just wasn't as competitive as last year. They had a great start to the season placing high in Austin but they placed 7th at Conroe, and then at the San Antonio super regional despite having 14 finalist Round Rock didn't get into finals. Which was tough for even the top bands especially with Avon making their way down. Although it could be for other reasons I had nothing to do with determining the rankings.
DeleteNo be honest, I really think North Hardin belongs somewhere on here.
ReplyDeleteI have nothing against Winston Churchill, however, I just do not understand why they are on the "Next Ten" list. To start off at BOA Austin they barely made it in to finals by 0.25 points and beating Westwood High School for the spot. I could by wrong but, wasn't Westwood's sound board destroyed when it started burning up? For this the judges are not supposed to count off, but indirectly this can hurt a team because it can add to General Effect. Anyway, later in the season, in BOA San Antonio, Churchill did not preform well placing 21st. They were behind Pearland, Westwood, and Cy-Fair who are not in the "Next Ten". They are definitely known as a very good band, but this year, I just was not as impressed.
ReplyDeleteAmerican fork ut......are u kidding me
ReplyDeleteLook out for Cedar Park this season. They have one of the best high school opening hits that I've seen in years! If the rest of the show follows that they are a force to be reckoned with this season.
ReplyDeleteThey had a huge incoming freshman class. This wasn't their year. They will run better next year.
DeleteCedar Park is good this year, but Leander's opening hit and opener in general are incredible.
ReplyDeleteReally hoping that Mason cracks the top 30 this week. They had a great comeback from last year at the BG Regional.
ReplyDeleteLooking for this week's rankings...
ReplyDeleteJust a question... Why isn't CTJ ahead of Arrow? I am not from Texas or OK, so I have no dog in the fight, but CTJ actually was in a competition and won.
ReplyDeleteCTJ gets no love or credit. Not sure why.
ReplyDeleteIt's too much. It's like they want to win based on the number of props. They have a lot of talent, let that shine and stop trying to out prop everyone. That Whataburger sponsorship doesn't solve everything.
DeleteBut Jenks beat Union by almost a whole point and they still aren't ranked. Confusion.
ReplyDeleteYes but Bixby beat both union, jenks, and owasso, and still isn´t in the top 40
DeleteJenks beat Bixby at OBA.
DeleteBut Bixby beat Jenks at the Owasso Invitational. That is that is what the comment is referring to.
DeleteI'm confused, Cy-Fair for 5th at boa houston right behind number 17 James Bowie yet they arent even mentioned near top 30 on hornrank
ReplyDeleteWait where's Cy fair they got 5th at the houston regional and were ahead of Winston Churchill by 4 places and behind James Bowie
ReplyDeletehasn't been updated since BOA Houston
DeleteOk so both Oak Ridge and Seven Lakes beat Churchill pretty handily yet Churchill is in the next 10. wut
ReplyDeleteWhy is Reagan ahead of Flomo when Flomo won DFW?
ReplyDeleteFloMo settled it yesterday. That had an awesome run and a very colorful show. Well done and they are the champions. They earned it.
Deletewhen is this going to be updated again?
ReplyDeleterankings are updated weekly on Tuesdays
DeleteAre the prelims scores for those who performed at Waco going to be released? Wondering how much Round Rock improved.
ReplyDeleteScores will not be released from the Waco Regional, since it was cancelled due to weather before prelims was completed.
DeleteWhen will today’s rankings be out?
ReplyDeleteI’m excited to see rankings after this past weekend’s performance!!!
ReplyDeleteAre the rankings going to be updated today?
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ReplyDeleteLess than two points behind Broken Arrow
DeleteAnd we tied with BA for visual in prelims
DeleteBixby just got 88! 4 points behind BA!
ReplyDeleteBut not ranked
Delete88 won't get you into the finals at Super Regionals.
DeleteYes it will. Blue Springs got an 87.75 at Indianapolis. Not saying that Bixby is at the same level as Blue Springs by any means, but if they had gone to St. Louis they would have definitely gotten top half
DeleteHow is timber creek 31st, they're not even good
ReplyDeleteJenks ain’t no fluke
ReplyDeleteDel Rio Tx. Mighty Rams keeps getting cheated out /// when it’s so obvious that they are among the best on top , everybody from the band community including other schools are stunned that they keep putting Del Rio down but it’s ok everyone knows who the True best bands are ,it’s just sad that they cover their eyes n ears to recognize this .
ReplyDeleteThey're certainly good, but they aren't as good as any of these. I only know them from BOA Houston and they should've placed higher yes, but not by much
DeleteEl Paso Tx. Bel Air should be on top of this list also another band that keeps getting the cover ur eyes n ears treatment like the Del Rio Mighty Ram Band ...they both sound clear n strong n not messy ///everyone knows it //
ReplyDeleteMake the trip to San Antonio and show it on the field. That's the only way to be taken seriously.
DeleteNever heard of this band in my life.
Delete"Updated weekly on Tuesdays"
ReplyDeleteWill there be a update this week?
ReplyDeleteAyala was literally just named the Utah state champion and BOA champion last Saturday and they are ranked #31? 🧐
ReplyDeleteSan Antonio Super Regionals are done. According to knowledgeable pundits it is the deepest competitive roster to date. Grand Nats will have the top few bands, but Texas finals list would likely top all but the top two or three Indy bands.
ReplyDeleteTexas has a DEEP bench of talent.
Great Season Texas! See you next year.
So you kept Fishers in the next 10 however you removed Lawrence Township who scored above them in Finals at the Indy Super Regional??
ReplyDeleteLawrence Township didn't even make ISSMA State Finals, but Fishers got fourth.
DeleteWhere is Del Río at a Super Regional finalst, in fact where is Del Río in Top 30 at San Antonio. Where is Del Río at the State Marching Contest, Where is Del Río at Area Finals. You can keep complaining about your band not being on some list but they clearly haven’t shown they deserve to be on the list just saying
ReplyDeleteSA Super Regionals Finals was incredible. They all stayed in Texas this year for 6A State but most will be headed to Grand Nats next year. And by the way, check out these results:
ReplyDelete1) Vista Ridge
2) Flower Mound
3) Vandegrift
4) Hebron
5) Leander
6) Ronald Reagan
7) Claudia Taylor Johnson
8) Keller
9) Woodlands
10) Marcus
11) Cedar Ridge
12) Waxahachie
Those are the State UIL results from November 6, not the SA Super Regionals results from November 4. The SA Super Regionals results were:
Delete1) Flower Mound
2) Ronald Reagan
3) Hebron
4) Vista Ridge
5) Claudia Taylor Johnson
6) Leander
7) Vandegrift
8) The Woodlands
9) Keller
10) Cedar Ridge
11) Marcus
12) Robert E. Hendrickson
13) Westlake
14) L.D. Bell
Mostly the same bands but with a slightly different order. The judging criteria for UIL differ from the BOA criteria.
Carmels no 1 again.
ReplyDeleteAre the rankings not going to be updated after Grand Nats?
ReplyDelete18 - Homestead
ReplyDelete19 - Jenks
20 - William Mason
You DO realize that Mason beat both of those bands in both semifinals AND finals at GN, right?
I might agree with Jenks over Mason based on where I thought they should finish, but Homestead? Makes me question the robustness of the process.
This is based off a survey submitted by around 30 people, not just one person.
DeleteWhich makes having the order of finish at GN being ignored even more suspicious. ONE opinion is just that - an opinion. Thirty people (if that's the real number) viewing the results couldn't all get it backwards.
DeleteI’m a Mason mom, and all I can say is that I am so happy that the program is back on track, that we made it to finals and that were even in this top 30 list. Those kids worked very hard to bring it back. And they will continue to get better in the coming years. Just sad that I have a junior and only 1 more year of this...
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